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	<title>Comments on: Midwifery Education and Madness</title>
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		<title>By: michele james-parham</title>
		<link>http://www.naturalattachment.com/wordpress/2008/03/02/midwifery-education-and-madness/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>michele james-parham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 22:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KneelingWoman, possibly you can read the follow up post to this one. It goes on to further explain, explore and probe various aspects of this topic. 

"I also believe that the primary reason we are not reaching more than the 2% of the population we are now serving is because our education and training simply do not resonate with mainstream values." 

I disagree. The real issue is that women are not educated on their options, the safety of homebirth and especially the fact that most women do NOT 'need' a midwife or other 'professional' standing over them and taking control of their experience.

There are things which I do NOT do as a midwife that I would be 'forced' to do, simply to acquire/keep a license if one was a available. I can not respectfully and authentically serve those who call on me, if I have artificial limitations placed on me. Plain and simple. Forcing me to act in a certain way (usually out of habit and not scientific evidence) in order to serve a HBing woman, doesn't allow true freedom of choice or informed choice for that woman...let alone what it does to my personal character, liberty and integrity. 

Demanding more out of the participates of a kludged system doesn't fix it...Adding more burden to their shoulders doesn't fix it...Allowing them the freedom to actually DO what their community is asking them to do, can and will fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KneelingWoman, possibly you can read the follow up post to this one. It goes on to further explain, explore and probe various aspects of this topic. </p>
<p>&#8220;I also believe that the primary reason we are not reaching more than the 2% of the population we are now serving is because our education and training simply do not resonate with mainstream values.&#8221; </p>
<p>I disagree. The real issue is that women are not educated on their options, the safety of homebirth and especially the fact that most women do NOT &#8216;need&#8217; a midwife or other &#8216;professional&#8217; standing over them and taking control of their experience.</p>
<p>There are things which I do NOT do as a midwife that I would be &#8216;forced&#8217; to do, simply to acquire/keep a license if one was a available. I can not respectfully and authentically serve those who call on me, if I have artificial limitations placed on me. Plain and simple. Forcing me to act in a certain way (usually out of habit and not scientific evidence) in order to serve a HBing woman, doesn&#8217;t allow true freedom of choice or informed choice for that woman&#8230;let alone what it does to my personal character, liberty and integrity. </p>
<p>Demanding more out of the participates of a kludged system doesn&#8217;t fix it&#8230;Adding more burden to their shoulders doesn&#8217;t fix it&#8230;Allowing them the freedom to actually DO what their community is asking them to do, can and will fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kneelingwoman</title>
		<link>http://www.naturalattachment.com/wordpress/2008/03/02/midwifery-education-and-madness/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Kneelingwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 04:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.naturalattachment.com/wordpress/2008/03/02/midwifery-education-and-madness/#comment-58</guid>
		<description>Hi everyone:  This is Kneelingwoman over at Close to the Root blog.  I am probaby the person who started the recent round of discussion about education.  Navelgazingmidwife's current blog is strongly referenced to my blog.  What I have said about Midwifery education is this:  that IF midwifery wants to be a recognized, sustainable, insurance reimburseable, health care profession; it will have to find a way to place it's educational process in the University system.  I am NOT saying that I think that Midwifery will necessarily be better off for becoming said profession; only that if the goal of MANA/NARM is to do these things ( and it is ) then they are going to have to alter their system of educating midwives.  

One of the things that concerns me deeply, after 25 years of involvement in homebirth midwifery, is that we are, by and large, a profession comprised of middle class white women serving middle and upper middle class white women.  Most women of color, or poor women, cannot afford an "apprenticeship" or attendance at an MEAC accredited school (most of which have annual tuition exceeding those of any State University in the country and do not qualify for federal financial aid ) only to end up with an almost meaningless credential and nontransferable education ( meaning: if the goal of establishing a "midwifery" practice ie business, does not work out as something that can support them financially; and 80% of homebirth midwives in this country make poverty-level wages; they will find themselves having invested a substantial amount of money and time and non of it can be recouped or transferred to another professional endeavor.  A woman who graduates from an MEAC school and decides to return to college will be starting from 'scratch' with none of her midwifery related work transferred as credits.  In addition, while it is very easy to assume when one is 25 or 30 and starting out in midwifery that "retirement" is a long time off and who worries about that now?  Trust me, when you are 50, and your husband has left you or died; you will suddenly be very worried about how you are going to support yourself with no retirement account, no health or life insurance.  In short, homebirth midwifery as we have known it; is not something that is "safe" for women as a profession because there is no way to make it work unless someone else ( typically, a well employed husband or partner ) is bankrolling your work for you.  I have been married for 20 years and a midwife longer than that; I have yet to make half the amount of money my husband ( a high school teacher ) makes in a year.  I have no way to provide anything else; no health insurance without his job.  No 401K contribution.  

I too, practice as a homebirth midwife--non interventive, all care done in my clients homes, focus on healthy mothers and families.  I also have an undergraduate degree and am completing an M.A. in counseling.  I have 4 children, two of whom are in college.  I also believe that the primary reason we are not reaching more than the 2% of the population we are now serving is because our education and training simply do not resonate with mainstream values.  It is a fallacy to conclude that a different and more standardized education would necessarily or absolutely, "medicalize" midwifery or destroy homebirth; indeed, in places like New Zealand, it has created a very healthy, rapidly growing and flourishing profession of Direct Entry Midwifery with complete subsidization by their national health service; happy moms and happy midwives!  They worked diligently for many years with midwives, consumer groups and other health care providers to accomplish their goals and if they can do it; so can we.  American women deserve better than the maternity care system we have; we have to decide if we are willing only to serve those few who want a homebirth or work towards insuring that all women can have a midwife to serve them; in every setting.  That does not mean everyone becomes a CNM but it does mean that we get over our idea that because we don't want to work in the hospital setting; there is nothing to learn there.  We do have to collaborate, from time to time, with Doctors and Nurses and continueing to retreat from that reality only further marginalized midwives and the families that count on us to serve them.  More education or a different education is just different; not bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone:  This is Kneelingwoman over at Close to the Root blog.  I am probaby the person who started the recent round of discussion about education.  Navelgazingmidwife&#8217;s current blog is strongly referenced to my blog.  What I have said about Midwifery education is this:  that IF midwifery wants to be a recognized, sustainable, insurance reimburseable, health care profession; it will have to find a way to place it&#8217;s educational process in the University system.  I am NOT saying that I think that Midwifery will necessarily be better off for becoming said profession; only that if the goal of MANA/NARM is to do these things ( and it is ) then they are going to have to alter their system of educating midwives.  </p>
<p>One of the things that concerns me deeply, after 25 years of involvement in homebirth midwifery, is that we are, by and large, a profession comprised of middle class white women serving middle and upper middle class white women.  Most women of color, or poor women, cannot afford an &#8220;apprenticeship&#8221; or attendance at an MEAC accredited school (most of which have annual tuition exceeding those of any State University in the country and do not qualify for federal financial aid ) only to end up with an almost meaningless credential and nontransferable education ( meaning: if the goal of establishing a &#8220;midwifery&#8221; practice ie business, does not work out as something that can support them financially; and 80% of homebirth midwives in this country make poverty-level wages; they will find themselves having invested a substantial amount of money and time and non of it can be recouped or transferred to another professional endeavor.  A woman who graduates from an MEAC school and decides to return to college will be starting from &#8217;scratch&#8217; with none of her midwifery related work transferred as credits.  In addition, while it is very easy to assume when one is 25 or 30 and starting out in midwifery that &#8220;retirement&#8221; is a long time off and who worries about that now?  Trust me, when you are 50, and your husband has left you or died; you will suddenly be very worried about how you are going to support yourself with no retirement account, no health or life insurance.  In short, homebirth midwifery as we have known it; is not something that is &#8220;safe&#8221; for women as a profession because there is no way to make it work unless someone else ( typically, a well employed husband or partner ) is bankrolling your work for you.  I have been married for 20 years and a midwife longer than that; I have yet to make half the amount of money my husband ( a high school teacher ) makes in a year.  I have no way to provide anything else; no health insurance without his job.  No 401K contribution.  </p>
<p>I too, practice as a homebirth midwife&#8211;non interventive, all care done in my clients homes, focus on healthy mothers and families.  I also have an undergraduate degree and am completing an M.A. in counseling.  I have 4 children, two of whom are in college.  I also believe that the primary reason we are not reaching more than the 2% of the population we are now serving is because our education and training simply do not resonate with mainstream values.  It is a fallacy to conclude that a different and more standardized education would necessarily or absolutely, &#8220;medicalize&#8221; midwifery or destroy homebirth; indeed, in places like New Zealand, it has created a very healthy, rapidly growing and flourishing profession of Direct Entry Midwifery with complete subsidization by their national health service; happy moms and happy midwives!  They worked diligently for many years with midwives, consumer groups and other health care providers to accomplish their goals and if they can do it; so can we.  American women deserve better than the maternity care system we have; we have to decide if we are willing only to serve those few who want a homebirth or work towards insuring that all women can have a midwife to serve them; in every setting.  That does not mean everyone becomes a CNM but it does mean that we get over our idea that because we don&#8217;t want to work in the hospital setting; there is nothing to learn there.  We do have to collaborate, from time to time, with Doctors and Nurses and continueing to retreat from that reality only further marginalized midwives and the families that count on us to serve them.  More education or a different education is just different; not bad.</p>
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		<title>By: michele james-parham</title>
		<link>http://www.naturalattachment.com/wordpress/2008/03/02/midwifery-education-and-madness/#comment-52</link>
		<dc:creator>michele james-parham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda- You are welcome...all licensure does is promote the penning of one midwife against another, when the mama-baby should be the main focus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda- You are welcome&#8230;all licensure does is promote the penning of one midwife against another, when the mama-baby should be the main focus.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda</title>
		<link>http://www.naturalattachment.com/wordpress/2008/03/02/midwifery-education-and-madness/#comment-50</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just accidentally came across some comments on another blog about how ignorant us homebirthers are and how everybody should be licensed and regulated. I left feeling sick to my stomach. So nice to come here and read this, thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just accidentally came across some comments on another blog about how ignorant us homebirthers are and how everybody should be licensed and regulated. I left feeling sick to my stomach. So nice to come here and read this, thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
		<link>http://www.naturalattachment.com/wordpress/2008/03/02/midwifery-education-and-madness/#comment-27</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 03:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I came to your blog from the very comment this post is about, because I thought it was right on the money. It annoyed me that the two most prevalent trolls on all the homebirth blogs had to put their inane spin on it, but ehh, that's what they're here for, I guess. 

I like what I'm reading. I'll be back for more. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came to your blog from the very comment this post is about, because I thought it was right on the money. It annoyed me that the two most prevalent trolls on all the homebirth blogs had to put their inane spin on it, but ehh, that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re here for, I guess. </p>
<p>I like what I&#8217;m reading. I&#8217;ll be back for more. <img src='http://www.naturalattachment.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Happy Homebirther</title>
		<link>http://www.naturalattachment.com/wordpress/2008/03/02/midwifery-education-and-madness/#comment-26</link>
		<dc:creator>Happy Homebirther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Mar 2008 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with you on many points.  We have certainly gotten away from the innate knowledge that was once commonplace.  How do we get back to that?  How can we help each woman restore her inner Midwife?  So much fear now surrounds birth that honestly, it's amazing anyone even attempts to do it anymore.  In my doula practice and aspirations of someday being a Midwife, I strive to bring at least a snippet of that knowledge back to women.  I have hopes that someday the pendulum will swing back again for women.  Someday women will be confident in their birthing abilities and the fear will be gone.  Until that time, may each birthing family in need be blessed with a caring, competent person (whether it be an OB, Midwife, Doula, or trusted friend) to help them find their way during the childbearing year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with you on many points.  We have certainly gotten away from the innate knowledge that was once commonplace.  How do we get back to that?  How can we help each woman restore her inner Midwife?  So much fear now surrounds birth that honestly, it&#8217;s amazing anyone even attempts to do it anymore.  In my doula practice and aspirations of someday being a Midwife, I strive to bring at least a snippet of that knowledge back to women.  I have hopes that someday the pendulum will swing back again for women.  Someday women will be confident in their birthing abilities and the fear will be gone.  Until that time, may each birthing family in need be blessed with a caring, competent person (whether it be an OB, Midwife, Doula, or trusted friend) to help them find their way during the childbearing year.</p>
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